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Question/Comment
karl de
asis wrote: Thank you for that reply.
Since
the time of the early Church Fathers (the very first Christians
after
Christ’s ascension to heaven), this image of the woman has had a
three-fold
symbolism: the ancient people of Israel, the Church and the
Blessed
Mother. However, the fullness of the image is the Blessed
Mother,
for she fulfills the prophecies regarding the coming of the Messiah.
There
are other important reasons for identifying "the woman clothed
with
the sun" as our Blessed Mother. The passage in question began with a
revelation
of heaven, the temple, and the Ark of the Covenant.
Remember
in the Old Testament the ark housed the Ten Commandments, the
Law of
God and God’s Word. The ark also contained the priestly staff of
Aaron
and a golden jar containing an omerful of manna (Ex 16:32, Nm
17:25,
Heb 9:14). As the Israelites journeyed to the Promised Land, a
cloud,
signifying the presence of God, would descend upon or "overshadow"
the
tent where the ark was kept. Later in the Temple of Jerusalem, the
ark was
kept in the Holy of Holies, the inner core of the Temple where
the
Jewish people believed God dwelt.
After
the description of heaven, the temple and the ark, the next verse
describes
"the woman clothed with the sun." Mary is the mother of
Jesus,
whom she conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. As Archangel
Gabriel
announced, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the
Most
High will overshadow you; hence, the holy offspring to be born
will be
called Son of God" (Lk 1:35). The connection between Mary and the
Temple,
the Holy of Holies and the ark is clear.
Keep in
mind also that when St. John saw this vision, the ark had been
lost
for over 500 years. In this vision, St. John saw the ark and then
he saw
Mary. Mary carried in her womb our Lord, who is the Word of God,
the
true High Priest and the Bread of Life. Truly, Mary is the new Ark
of the
New Covenant, which our Lord as priest will make with His Blood
spilled
in the sacrifice of the cross.
The
pain, according to early church fathers, refer to the pain she
shared
when she stood at the foot of the cross (Jn 19:25), a pain
prophesied
by the Priest Simeon at the circumcision: "This child is destined to
be the
downfall and the rise of many in Israel, a sign that will be
opposed
— and you yourself shall by pierced with a sword — so that the
thoughts
of many hearts may be laid bare" (Lk 2:34-35). Interestingly, St.
Paul
also speaks of "labor pains" in handing the faith unto his people:
"You
are my children, and you put me back in labor pains until Christ
is
formed in you" (Gal 4:19). So the pain takes on a spiritual
significance,
that pain in sharing in the sufferings of Christ, and that pain in
being
the Mother of the Church and bringing others to her Son.
Answer
Greetings,
I think
that this is going nowhere and is just wasting my very precious
time.
You are
free to believe whatever your teachers tell you,
including
the Church Fathers, up to and beyond the Council of Nicea,
whether
it is supported by the bible or not.
If you
want to make Mary into a greater than Christ, so be it.
I see
clear contradictions and unjustified extrapolations in your
various
posts.
From
your quotations
(Ex
16:32,
Nm
17:25,
Heb
9:14).
It is
obvious that you have a very different bible to the one I have,
even
more it is clear that you worship a very different God to the
Eternal
God whom I serve.
p.j.
Be Humble Repent Listen To The Eternal God Obey Him.
This is very easy to say, but
I assure you that it is physically impossible,
without the empowerment of the Eternal
God.
Attending some Church,
going up to an altar call, or isolating yourself,
in the hope that
somehow it will all be alright, will not do it.
What are you going to do about
it before it is too late?
See The Video: Obedience Is The Only Way Of Escape
. The only way out of
this dilemma is Jesus Christ.
. He
is the only way of escape.
. We have to be
under His Care and Protection.
. Salvation
by any other name or means,
. Simply does
not exist.
. Complete Obedience is
required
Praise
the Lord.
. Come soon Lord Jesus.
.
Amen.