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MARY, THE MOTHER OF JESUS CHRIST
karl de asis wrote: Thank you for that reply.
Since the time of the early Church Fathers (the very first Christians
after Christ’s ascension to heaven), this image of the woman has had a
three-fold symbolism: the ancient people of Israel, the Church and the
Blessed Mother. However, the fullness of the image is the Blessed
Mother, for she fulfills the prophecies regarding the coming of the Messiah.
There are other important reasons for identifying "the woman clothed
with the sun" as our Blessed Mother. The passage in question began with a
revelation of heaven, the temple, and the Ark of the Covenant.
Remember in the Old Testament the ark housed the Ten Commandments, the
Law of God and God’s Word. The ark also contained the priestly staff of
Aaron and a golden jar containing an omerful of manna (Ex 16:32, Nm
17:25, Heb 9:14). As the Israelites journeyed to the Promised Land, a
cloud, signifying the presence of God, would descend upon or "overshadow"
the tent where the ark was kept. Later in the Temple of Jerusalem, the
ark was kept in the Holy of Holies, the inner core of the Temple where
the Jewish people believed God dwelt.
After the description of heaven, the temple and the ark, the next verse
describes "the woman clothed with the sun." Mary is the mother of
Jesus, whom she conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. As Archangel
Gabriel announced, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the
Most High will overshadow you; hence, the holy offspring to be born
will be called Son of God" (Lk 1:35). The connection between Mary and the
Temple, the Holy of Holies and the ark is clear.
Keep in mind also that when St. John saw this vision, the ark had been
lost for over 500 years. In this vision, St. John saw the ark and then
he saw Mary. Mary carried in her womb our Lord, who is the Word of God,
the true High Priest and the Bread of Life. Truly, Mary is the new Ark
of the New Covenant, which our Lord as priest will make with His Blood
spilled in the sacrifice of the cross.
The pain, according to early church fathers, refer to the pain she
shared when she stood at the foot of the cross (Jn 19:25), a pain
prophesied by the Priest Simeon at the circumcision: "This child is destined to
be the downfall and the rise of many in Israel, a sign that will be
opposed — and you yourself shall by pierced with a sword — so that the
thoughts of many hearts may be laid bare" (Lk 2:34-35). Interestingly, St.
Paul also speaks of "labor pains" in handing the faith unto his people:
"You are my children, and you put me back in labor pains until Christ
is formed in you" (Gal 4:19). So the pain takes on a spiritual
significance, that pain in sharing in the sufferings of Christ, and that pain in
being the Mother of the Church and bringing others to her Son.
I think that this is going nowhere and is just wasting my very precious
You are free to believe whatever your teachers tell you,
including the Church Fathers, up to and beyond the Council of Nicea,
whether it is supported by the bible or not.
If you want to make Mary into a greater than Christ, so be it.
I see clear contradictions and unjustified extrapolations in your
From your quotations
It is obvious that you have a very different bible to the one I have,
even more it is clear that you worship a very different God to the
Eternal God whom I serve.
Be Humble Repent Listen To The Eternal God Obey Him.
This is very easy to say, but I assure you that it is physically impossible,
without the empowerment of the Eternal God.
Attending some Church, going up to an altar call, or isolating yourself,
in the hope that somehow it will all be alright, will not do it.
What are you going to do about it before it is too late?
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. The only way out of this dilemma is Jesus Christ.
. He is the only way of escape.
. We have to be under His Care and Protection.
. Salvation by any other name or means,
. Simply does not exist.
. Complete Obedience is required
Praise the Lord.
. Come soon Lord Jesus.